08:29 -!- tnjulius__ [i=29caca72@gateway/web/freenode/x-mowknlmfjozhyury] has joined #barcamp-cm 08:31 < ongolaBoy> tnjulius__: welcome again :) 08:31 < tnjulius__> slt :) 08:33 < tnjulius__> la liste des participants? 08:33 < ongolaBoy> ici http://barcampdouala.eventbrite.com/ 08:46 -!- downeym [n=downeym@cpe-65-29-72-9.indy.res.rr.com] has joined #barcamp-cm 08:47 < downeym> Hello from USA! 08:48 < tnjulius__> hi downeym 08:50 < ongolaBoy> downeym: hi 08:55 < ongolaBoy> the whole conversation today will be logged and put in the wiki like the old meeting 08:56 < ongolaBoy> http://barcamp.org/f/barcampCm_IRC14082009.txt 08:56 < downeym> Are people arriving at the hotel now? 08:57 < ongolaBoy> yes 08:58 < ongolaBoy> the registration have started according to the program http://barcamp.org/BarCampCameroon2009Reminder 08:59 < ongolaBoy> downeym: you should be aware that I'm not in douala currently but in another city but still in cameroon :) 08:59 < downeym> ooh, sorry you can not make it! 08:59 < downeym> we will watch together on the web :) 09:14 < downeym> Live coverage is now beginning on: http://africamp.com/cameroon 09:20 < ongolaBoy> I see 09:30 < ongolaBoy> tnjulius__: septox est deja sur place :) 09:30 -!- septox [i=29bee2ad@gateway/web/freenode/x-tzkqgukswjimixif] has joined #barcamp-cm 09:30 < ongolaBoy> et en parlant du loup :D 09:30 < septox> ongolaBoy: hi 09:30 < septox> ct ? 09:30 < septox> cmt ? 09:30 < ongolaBoy> septox: hi hi :) ^^___^^ 09:30 < ongolaBoy> je suis la , je veille a distance 09:30 < ongolaBoy> et je logge le channel 09:30 < tnjulius__> slt septox 09:31 -!- bigbrovar [n=bigbrova@83.229.6.19] has joined #barcamp-cm 09:31 < ongolaBoy> bigbrovar: hi :) glad to see u there 09:31 < ongolaBoy> bigbrovar: it's an honor :) 09:31 < tnjulius__> ongolaBoy: Brice aussi est sur place, j'ai eu son coup de fil 09:31 < bigbrovar> ongolaBoy> :O 09:31 < bigbrovar> :)8 09:31 < bigbrovar> :)* (damn kayboard) 09:32 < ongolaBoy> bigbrovar: have u travel to douala or you are still in abroad ? 09:32 < bigbrovar> naa still rooted in abuja :) 09:32 < downeym> salut septox, hi bigbrovar 09:33 < bigbrovar> bonjour ( dont push it, that is as far as my french goes : ) ) 09:33 < bigbrovar> downeym> hey good to see you 09:33 < ongolaBoy> hi all, remember that we may speak both french and english 09:33 < septox> tnjulius__: je suis avec brice 09:33 < septox> :D 09:33 < ongolaBoy> that's cameroon :D 09:33 < septox> downeym: hi 09:33 < tnjulius__> septox: cool 09:34 < bigbrovar> ongolaBoy> downeym> kept my twitter client to auto update #barcampcameroon and am on the irc, so yeah it almost as if am there ( i said almost) 09:37 < downeym> N.B.: The live event at http://africamp.com/cameroon will automatically include all Twitter comments with #barcampcameroon 09:37 < ongolaBoy> downeym: that's fine 09:37 < downeym> so one less window necessary :) 09:38 < ongolaBoy> :) :) it's gonna be fun today 09:38 -!- Celestain [i=473ecdff@gateway/web/freenode/x-ylidixuesqyzjbdo] has joined #barcamp-cm 09:39 < tnjulius__> il y'a du retard ou alors ils ont oublies de nous mettre "online" :) 09:41 < ongolaBoy> Celestain: hi 09:44 < septox> some have connectins issues here 09:44 < ongolaBoy> septox: c normal :) 09:44 < septox> normal a quel niveau ? 09:46 < tnjulius__> septox: vous etes nos yeux et nos oreilles 09:47 < ongolaBoy> septox: enfin... je veux dire que c'est le quotidien au pays :) 09:47 -!- IzaneFG [i=29bee2a5@gateway/web/freenode/x-nskzrgstcgljcwpf] has joined #barcamp-cm 09:48 < bigbrovar> ongolaBoy> you on identica? link me ur profile page man 09:49 < ongolaBoy> bigbrovar: sure , http://identi.ca/ongolaboy ;) 09:49 < ongolaBoy> IzaneFG: hello boy ! alors tu etais avec valentino rossi hein ? 09:51 < IzaneFG> ongolaBoy: oui oui 09:51 < ongolaBoy> :) 09:51 < IzaneFG> God m'a entendu 09:51 < IzaneFG> :) 09:52 < septox> :D 09:55 < tnjulius__> les images sont deja diffuser 09:55 < ongolaBoy> je disais qu'il y a un eloge fokem qui vous cherche 09:55 < ongolaBoy> mais je ne sais pas comment lui il va faire :) il a send un mail dans la ML d'ubuntu-cm au lieu d'utiliser un autre canal :D 09:56 < tnjulius__> ongolaBoy: le telephone existe non? 09:57 < ongolaBoy> tnjulius__: il a dit qu'il etait nouveau et n'a pas laisse son contact 09:59 < tnjulius__> ongolaBoy: que septox lui passe son contact par mail (comme ca semble le moyen le plus facile pour eloge) 10:00 < ongolaBoy> tnjulius__: je vais send un mail moi meme 10:01 < ongolaBoy> septox: by the way, can u send me your (local) phone number or simply *beep* me :) 10:06 -!- Rolly [i=29bee2a3@gateway/web/freenode/x-vhlndzzrodwabeor] has joined #barcamp-cm 10:06 < Rolly> Salut les gars 10:06 < ongolaBoy> Rolly: salut :) 10:06 < ongolaBoy> en forme ? 10:07 < tnjulius__> salut Rolly 10:09 -!- rjhatl_ [n=robbie@208.52.164.5] has joined #barcamp-cm 10:11 < tnjulius__> hi rjhatl_ 10:11 < downeym> If you're not watching the Live Event, keep it open in a window and don't miss anything! http://africamp.com/cameroon 10:14 < septox> tnjulius__: ongolaBoy j'ai lance un annonce et il s'est presnte cool, je n'avais pas son telephone 10:16 < Rolly> Toujours en forme et merci 10:17 < ongolaBoy> j'ai vu une feuille de calcul avec un programme, c officiel ? http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t1G8TRx_nwNhD6sIG6OUoCw&output=html 10:18 < septox> . 10:18 < ongolaBoy> ca serait cool s'il pouvait avoir un ecran qui affiche cette fenetre sur un mur :) 10:19 < ongolaBoy> ou a defaut j'espere qu'il y en a une pour le tag #barcampcameroon 10:19 < septox> it is atrting here 10:20 < ongolaBoy> fine 10:20 < septox> please guys shut the music of you laptops, it is noising while starting or receive messages 10:20 < septox> first time in cameroon 10:20 < septox> first speaker : jfa 10:20 < septox> claps 10:21 < septox> bienvenue a tous 10:22 < septox> remerciements auy sponsors 10:22 < septox> aus participants remote 10:23 < ongolaBoy> ^__^ 10:23 * ongolaBoy essuie une petite larme 10:24 < septox> . 10:25 -!- Etum [i=5a5eeb59@gateway/web/freenode/x-pqqhzhsrwyrdttks] has joined #barcamp-cm 10:25 < Etum> so how is is there? 10:25 < Etum> hi all 10:25 < ongolaBoy> Etum: hi :) 10:25 < ongolaBoy> septox nous animait un peu le salon :D 10:25 < Etum> ongolaBoy: hi bro 10:26 < bigbrovar> Etum> hi 10:26 < Etum> septox: tu as pris le benam? 10:26 < ongolaBoy> mais je crois que la maintenant il doit etre en train de suivre jeanFrancis 10:26 < Etum> IzaneFG: je te vois tu dors 10:26 < Etum> le live est ou? 10:27 < IzaneFG> Etum: je ne dors pas je suis Fee 10:27 < ongolaBoy> Etum: normalement ici http://africamp.com/cameroon 10:27 < septox> :D 10:28 < septox> Etum: lep moi le ne de ringo la ne waka pas sur mon phone 10:28 < ongolaBoy> septox: je ne te conseille pas le benam .. 10:28 < ongolaBoy> ne l'utilise que lorsque c trop urgent et sur une petite distance 10:28 < ongolaBoy> ou bien si tu obliges le gars a ne pas faire comme valentino rossi 10:28 < Etum> septox: il y' a la technical team de ringo sur place non? vos téléphones allemenads la c'est n'importe quoi lol 10:29 < septox> fritz just fiinish his speech 10:31 < septox> Etum: il ya quelqu'un qui falla les pbs ic, je vois ca deja 10:31 -!- DjiaThink [i=29bee2a8@gateway/web/freenode/x-obtxhqasejnbrypa] has joined #barcamp-cm 10:31 < Etum> septox: c'est qui non? 10:31 < septox> je sais pas ohnn 10:31 < septox> mais il ya des gens ds la salle qui me look ils lap 10:32 < Etum> septox: tu diras bonjour à tout le monde que je connaisla bas, chill, fee, jeremy, JF, bill 10:32 < Etum> septox: lol 10:32 < septox> Etum: YES 10:32 < Etum> septox: tu présentes quoi? 10:32 < septox> je vais presenter un truc sur Ubuntu-cm 10:33 -!- Rolly [i=29bee2a3@gateway/web/freenode/x-amxayzclnjkoczuj] has joined #barcamp-cm 10:33 < Rolly> Welcome back 10:33 < tnjulius__> seoptox: On te suivra! :) 10:34 < DjiaThink> Etum: wèèè si loin de l'event :D 10:35 < septox> il ya aussi google qui est la 10:35 < Etum> septox: il y'a mes amis de MS qui sont là aussi 10:36 < ongolaBoy> il doit y avoir du beau monde 10:36 < ongolaBoy> c tres bien 10:36 < Etum> DjiaThink: il y'a un autre event qui arrive et tu auras l'occaz de me voir 10:36 < septox> Etum: ah bon je ne les voix pas la :D 10:36 < DjiaThink> Etum: ok cool 10:36 < septox> bref google senegal ( je crois) est aussi sponsor avec 4 personnes sur place 10:38 < Etum> septox: ils sont là lol 10:38 < septox> Etum: ok 10:41 < Etum> les gars le live stream ne marche pas 10:42 < tnjulius__> septox: Brice n'est pas conencte? 10:42 < septox> tnjulius__: non pas encore 10:43 < Etum> septox: il faut twitter non? je n'ai pas le son ni l'image sur le livestream 10:43 < ongolaBoy> je demandais tt a l'heure s'il y a un projecteur pour display ce qu'on write ? 10:43 < tnjulius__> vraiment il faut au moins le son! 10:43 < ongolaBoy> ou ce qui s'affiche avec le tag #barcampcameroon 10:44 < septox> non pas que je sache 10:48 < Etum> ongolaBoy: jean francis s'en occupe 10:49 -!- tnjulius_ [i=29caca72@gateway/web/freenode/x-dppwnusqehocvxif] has joined #barcamp-cm 10:50 < Etum> vous etes bien tranquille 10:56 < downeym> on serche M. Ngontang .... "ongolaboy: is eugene ngontang in #barcampcameroon ? he is supposed to present doomedo http://ur1.ca/fbeh but he wasn't registered :( " 10:58 -!- septox___ [i=29bee2ad@gateway/web/freenode/x-ygoyeernxxxqlhmq] has joined #barcamp-cm 11:00 < Etum> IzaneFG: go repeter en meme tps ta prez tu vois que le niveau est elevé 11:01 < IzaneFG> Etum: Hum... Je te répondrais en présence de mon Avocat :) 11:02 < ongolaBoy> IzaneFG: qui te fait peur la ?? don't stress lool 11:04 < IzaneFG> Moi je ne stress pas! Je stress pour les gars qui vont me suivre :) 11:04 < tnjulius_> Septox: ta presentation porte sur quoi precisement? 11:05 < Etum> IzaneFG: ongolaBoy il va begayer lol 11:05 < IzaneFG> hum... WebMarketing et ses Difficultés au Cameroun et en Afrique 11:07 < IzaneFG> Etum: je begaye même quand je ris :D 11:08 -!- Sovo [i=29bee2a3@gateway/web/freenode/session] has joined #barcamp-cm 11:08 < DjiaThink> ready to speak about Perl... 11:08 < Sovo> hi 11:09 < Etum> Sovo: hi 11:09 < Etum> DjiaThink: quoi? tu vas apprendre au gens à scripter? 11:09 * ongolaBoy va archiver la premiere partie de ce log a 12h TU sur barcamp.org 11:09 < DjiaThink> Etum: On va dire que je vais leur donner envie de scripter ! 11:09 < tnjulius_> hi sovo 11:10 < tnjulius_> Sovo: alors tu parles de quoi? 11:10 * ongolaBoy will save the first log of this channel at 12 AM TU on barcamp.org 11:10 < Etum> ongolaBoy: il faut enlever nos conneries avant d'archiver hein 11:10 < Sovo> ok 11:11 < Sovo> tnjulius_: on prepare un truc avec septox pour speak sur ubuntu et ubuntu \-cm 11:11 < ongolaBoy> Etum: ok... t'inquiete :) ... mais c'est pas aussi con souvent mais j'ai compris 11:11 < Sovo> je pourrais avoir le log ?? 11:12 < ongolaBoy> Sovo: de today ? il faudra attendre dans deux heures 11:12 < ongolaBoy> qu'est-ce qu'on presente maintenant ? 11:12 < Sovo> ou alors les anciennes disok 11:12 < Sovo> humm 11:13 < Sovo> le cloud computing 11:13 < Sovo> par un de google france 11:13 < septox___> just 20 people connected ? and some with difficulties 11:14 < septox___> cloud computing, appEngine de google 11:14 < septox___> now speak about google maps 11:14 < Rolly> Hey les gars une vidéo est déjà disponible online 11:14 < Sovo> Rolly: tu as le lien ? 11:14 < Rolly> vous pouvez la telecharger à en direct 11:15 < tnjulius_> Rolly: oui mais chez moi je sais pas si c ma connexion mais elle est saccade 11:16 < ongolaBoy> Rolly: ok le lien et ... la taille *surtout* :D 11:16 < Rolly> voici le lien de la video 11:16 < Rolly> ma connexion est parfaite 11:16 < Rolly> http://www.blog.fr/srv/media/media_item.php?item_ID=4084779 11:17 < septox___> so i am online 11:17 < septox___> ouf 11:19 -!- Sovo_ [i=29bee2a3@gateway/web/freenode/x-ujplfklzffkgqvid] has joined #barcamp-cm 11:19 < Sovo_> re 11:25 < Etum> bon les gars je lance j'ai un train à prendre rdv dans l'aprem 11:25 < DjiaThink> Etum: ok, ad taleur 11:25 < IzaneFG> C'est comment? Tu fais les wins même le wiken? 11:26 < Etum> DjiaThink: IzaneFG yep 11:26 < Etum> dites estimation du nombre de personne? 11:27 < tnjulius_> 200 11:27 < IzaneFG> 160 environs 11:31 < septox___> tnjulius_: tu as compte ? 11:31 < Rolly> la video pèse 7 Mo 11:32 < tnjulius_> J'ai lu sur http://africamp.com/cameroon 11:32 < tnjulius_> 200 personnes sont attendus d'apres leur dire! 11:34 < septox___> oui environ 11:36 < ongolaBoy> n'oublier pas que septox___ a mis des petites video sur http://qik.com/septox 11:39 < septox___> . 11:42 < downeym> septox: great video 11:43 < ongolaBoy> don't forget that (some) topics are listed here http://barcamp.org/BarCampCameroon2009Topics 11:51 < ongolaBoy> at lunch some guys may use this channel for short interview :) 11:53 < tnjulius_> la video sur http://africamp.com/cameroon est un peu sombre (meme pas un peu) 11:55 -!- gaza [i=29bee2ac@gateway/web/freenode/x-mczwbltrmpntodhl] has joined #barcamp-cm 11:55 < tnjulius_> un peu mieux! apparement on nous "ecoute" :) 11:56 < ongolaBoy> moi cette page plante mon navigateur web :( 11:57 -!- Frank_mtf [i=c318d10e@gateway/web/freenode/x-ehoemgpodsyegbtk] has joined #barcamp-cm 11:57 < tnjulius_> ongolaBoy: sorry for you! 11:57 < Frank_mtf> hello 11:57 < tnjulius_> Frank_mtf: hi 11:57 < ongolaBoy> tnjulius_: vraiment comme tu dis ... mais je vais essayer sur une autre machine 11:58 < Frank_mtf> should I speak in english or in french ? 11:59 -!- Maxime_ [i=29bee2a4@gateway/web/freenode/x-gqcrdbsxdtldpffa] has joined #barcamp-cm 11:59 < ongolaBoy> Frank_mtf: it doesn't matter if you speak in french or in english 11:59 < tnjulius_> Frank_mtf: both, but in french is better :d 12:00 < ongolaBoy> remember that's we promote bilinguilism in our country 12:00 < ongolaBoy> remember that we promote bilinguilism in our country 12:00 < ongolaBoy> sorry for the typo :) 12:00 < Frank_mtf> ah ok ! I guess ... je vais parler en français :p 12:02 < Sovo_> ongolaBoy: moi aussi j'ai ce pb 12:02 < ongolaBoy> pas de probleme 12:02 < Sovo_> mais j'ai cru que cetai ma machine 12:02 < ongolaBoy> tout a l'heure ce canal sera utilise pour les interviews 12:03 < Sovo_> ok 12:03 < Frank_mtf> ok 12:03 < ongolaBoy> sentez vous a l'aise d'interpeller une ou l'autre des personnes 12:03 < Frank_mtf> qui est interviewé ? 12:03 < Sovo_> tu as deja le nom des personne que l'on va interviewer ?? 12:03 < ongolaBoy> tout est enregistre (par moi) et sera mis en ligne sur http://barcamp.org/BarCampCameroon 12:03 < tnjulius_> sur la mienne ca passe bien! bien que ca soit un peu trop contraste par moment! 12:04 < ongolaBoy> Sovo_: ce n'est pas une procedure fixe... c au bon vouloir de tous 12:04 -!- yuanluc [i=29bee2aa@gateway/web/freenode/x-flqovfnivyxlnkff] has joined #barcamp-cm 12:04 < ongolaBoy> mais je sais qu'il y en a aux states qui attendent les participants ici pour poser des questions 12:04 < Sovo_> ok 12:04 < Sovo_> ok 12:06 < ongolaBoy> yuanluc: hello 12:06 < yuanluc> hello ongoBoy t'a oeuvré pour ceci et t'es pas là ???????????????????????? 12:09 < Sovo> re 12:09 < ongolaBoy> Sovo: vous avez eu une coupure ? 12:10 < Sovo> oui 12:10 -!- IzaneFG [i=29bee2a5@gateway/web/freenode/x-fhzwgalbjaxlwdlq] has joined #barcamp-cm 12:10 < ongolaBoy> tout le monde a ete deconnecte brutalement 12:10 < Sovo> humm 12:10 < ongolaBoy> j'espere que ce n'est pas le courant 12:10 < Sovo> tu as peu le remarq 12:10 < Sovo> no 12:10 < Sovo> c just le wifi 12:10 < ongolaBoy> ok 12:10 < IzaneFG> non non c'est Ringo qui a laché :D 12:11 -!- Tidjane [i=29bee2ab@gateway/web/freenode/x-ttsowjeccxitheql] has joined #barcamp-cm 12:11 < Frank_mtf> ringo ringo 12:11 -!- mambenanje [i=29d9939f@gateway/web/freenode/x-fsmdbqfgoqbxwrju] has joined #barcamp-cm 12:11 < Frank_mtf> we live together 12:11 < ongolaBoy> mambenanje: hi 12:11 * Frank_mtf chante 12:12 < ongolaBoy> Tidjane: hi 12:12 < mambenanje> waaooh I am joing the guys ;) 12:12 < mambenanje> hey ongolaboy whats up ? 12:12 < ongolaBoy> mambenanje: I'm fine man 12:12 < ongolaBoy> doing my best remotely :) 12:13 < mambenanje> Ongola I am not happy you is not her 12:13 < ongolaBoy> mambenanje: it was simply *impossible* churchill ... trust me 12:14 < mambenanje> oh ok 12:14 < mambenanje> we are together with internet 12:14 -!- Maxime_ [i=29bee2a4@gateway/web/freenode/x-lvjpwnlrxozkzmkj] has joined #barcamp-cm 12:14 < Frank_mtf> well, I have to leave you, so bye bye 12:14 < ongolaBoy> @all . little tip: you can type the beginning of the name of a member and press the TAB button. it will autocomplete ;) 12:14 < ongolaBoy> Frank_mtf: si tu as une question pour un participant 12:14 < ongolaBoy> faut pas hesiter 12:15 < Frank_mtf> have a nice day 12:15 -!- septox_ [i=29bee2ad@pdpc/supporter/base/septox] has joined #barcamp-cm 12:15 < mambenanje> ongola its not working 12:15 < ongolaBoy> it should ... 12:16 < septox_> ongolaBoy: is the log somewhere ? 12:16 < septox_> . 12:16 < tnjulius_> a present qu'est ce qui se passe? 12:16 -!- Frank_mtf [i=c318d10e@gateway/web/freenode/x-ehoemgpodsyegbtk] has left #barcamp-cm [] 12:16 < ongolaBoy> @all feel free to ask question to anybody, we will upload it after on barcamp.org 12:16 < mambenanje> tnjulius_ Microsoft et entren the parle ; 12:16 < IzaneFG> Microsoft sur la scène.... 12:16 < ongolaBoy> septox_: not yet. it's still on my laptop :) 12:17 -!- DjiaThink [i=29bee2a8@gateway/web/freenode/x-vstaphdzdhaxizww] has joined #barcamp-cm 12:17 < mambenanje> IZaneFG you on 12:17 < Sovo> ongolaBoy: j'avais une question pour ringo 12:17 < septox_> microsoft is doing a kind of free speech 12:17 < Sovo> par rapport a un pilote pour linux 12:17 < ongolaBoy> :) 12:18 < septox_> ongolaBoy: moi aussi , il n'ont pas repondu a mon mail 12:18 < ongolaBoy> politique de rapprochement .. oblige par les temps 12:18 * ongolaBoy reflechit sur une maniere de gerer les questions ... 12:18 < septox_> uhmm 12:18 < ongolaBoy> ok... ceux qui auront des questions. debuter votre phrase par *QUESTION* 12:19 < Sovo> ongolaBoy: c vrai que tu en aura un mx 12:19 < septox_> *QUESTION* why ringo did not work on Linux ? technicians say it is not supported ? 12:20 < ongolaBoy> je vais try de 'parser' le fichier et faire revenir les questions later 12:20 < IzaneFG> ongolaBoy: le problème de la licence est sur le tapis :) 12:20 < mambenanje> le camerounaise pirate le license the logiciel microsoft 12:20 < ongolaBoy> IzaneFG: c'est bien 12:20 < IzaneFG> Microsoft se plaind :) 12:21 < septox_> avec raison sur certains points 12:21 < mambenanje> haha microsoft 12:21 < IzaneFG> oui! Sur beaucoup de points 12:21 < Sovo> en temps que developpeur je les comprend 12:21 < IzaneFG> pareil pour moi 12:21 < mambenanje> moi j'aime les logiciel web come Google.com 12:22 < mambenanje> donc je m'en fou ;) 12:22 < Sovo> mambenanje: hummm 12:22 < Sovo> fou pas s'en foutre 12:23 < Sovo> moi je suis pro libre, donc tu comprend mon etat d'esprit 12:23 < Sovo> mais en temps que developpeur je me sentirais mal si ma licence est mal utilise 12:24 -!- marilor [i=56ca0159@gateway/web/freenode/x-wzoplpieerdblqyx] has joined #barcamp-cm 12:24 < Sovo> je ne dit pas que j'adere completement aux idee de MS 12:24 < tnjulius_> :) nous devons respecter les licences 12:24 < bigbrovar> am seeing alot of MIcrosoft name pop in some french convos anyone bother explaining what the matter is. ( don't understand french) 12:24 < mambenanje> sovo cest vria mais le desktop n'est plus important 12:24 < ongolaBoy> je pense qu'a la base comme je disais a un newbie sur ubuntu-cm le plus important est le respect des licences 12:24 < Sovo> mais just a concernant le pb de licence c un gros pb 12:24 < mambenanje> maintenant c'est le web et le logiciel cloud computing 12:25 < ongolaBoy> be it proprietary of free software, we must respect the licence 12:25 < Sovo> mambenanje: je suis d'acord avec toi 12:25 < Sovo> mais y'a un pb 12:25 < tnjulius_> Je pense que Microsoft doit accentuer sa lutte contre le piratage au Cameroun, sa permettrait au logiciel libre de mieux s'integrer je pense 12:25 < Sovo> qui dit cloud dit connexion (et meme bonne connexion) 12:26 < ongolaBoy> bigbrovar: guys are talking about licence enforcement on software in general 12:26 < DjiaThink> tn_julius: d'accord avec toi 12:26 < Sovo> et dieu seul sais que le cameroun en manq cruellement 12:26 < Sovo> tnjulius_: je ne pense pas que ca ce fera aussi facilement 12:26 < Sovo> fo voir aussi avec les mentalite 12:26 < bigbrovar> ongolaBoy> oh ok ( I should have listened in my french class :p ) 12:26 < Sovo> si elle ne change pas 12:27 < Sovo> alors on risq de ce retrouve dans un context du genre de la chine 12:27 < ongolaBoy> bigbrovar: don't worry .. when some guys here are able to translate from one language to another 12:27 < Sovo> ou la piraterie est une religion 12:28 < bigbrovar> ok here is my take, while am more inclined to use only software with libre license, I do feel you have to follow the terms of license of any software you use. 12:28 < tnjulius_> Sovo: s'ils commencent par sanctionner les entreprises, ca se repercutera sur le personnel 12:28 < ongolaBoy> bigbrovar: +1 12:29 < Sovo> oui c vrai 12:29 < Sovo> les entreprise sont "potentiellement" les gros consomateurs 12:29 < ongolaBoy> marilor: hi . I hope you feel ok here ? 12:30 < Sovo> mais fo pas forget que ils peuvent decider de ce mettre en regle 12:30 < Sovo> car ont les moyens pour 12:30 < bigbrovar> I always encourage and have strong believe that free and open source software afford africans the best oppotunity to produce our own software which will meet our specific needs. and gives us the power to become technology makers not just consumers 12:30 < Sovo> et dans ce cas le libre ne va pas forcment suivre 12:30 < ongolaBoy> septox_: j'espere que je pourrais tenir jusqu'au soir sans pb (courant,internet) pour le log :) 12:30 < tnjulius_> Sovo: decider de se mettre en regle, tant qu'on ne les poursuit pas avec la "chicotte" ils continueront a pirater crois moi, j'en parle pas de nos ministere 12:31 < ongolaBoy> can someone help me log this channel as a backup solution please ? 12:31 < mambenanje> qui est bigbrovar ? 12:32 < ongolaBoy> mambenanje: the one you already know :)) 12:32 < Sovo> justement je parle du fait qu'ils se mettront en regle parcequ'ils auront le feu au fesses 12:32 < tnjulius_> bigbrovar: il est vrai que l'open source et/ou les logiciels libres sont un atout pour les pays emergents! le proble est au niveau des dispositions prises pour promouvoir ces logiciels 12:32 < mambenanje> hey men @bigbrovar welcome men ;) 12:32 < septox_> . 12:33 < Sovo> mais est que ca va les oblige a ce tourner vers le libre ? 12:33 < Sovo> je ne crois pas 12:33 < ongolaBoy> bigbrovar: tnjulius_ is saying that the main issue in africa is the lack of promotion of free software 12:33 < Sovo> il faudrais une prise de conscience collective et une sensibilisation massive sur les logciel libre 12:34 < mambenanje> free software has advantages and disadvantages but the way Google is taking Chrome, Android...I think a company can make a business around free software 12:34 < septox_> . 12:34 < tnjulius_> Sovo: Le Cameroun par exemple possede (je pense) plus de tpe, pme et pmi que de grqnde entreprises, oui une sanction forte de Microsoft les obligeraient a se tourner vers des alternatives 12:34 < bigbrovar> tnjulius_> ongolaBoy> its not unique to africa. but yeah its more pronouced and sad here because of the amount we spend on software licenses when there are free (as in beer and speech ) alternatives. 12:35 < Sovo> mambenanje: free software have more advantage than disavantage (for me) 12:35 < bigbrovar> open source is more of a grass root- bottom up approach. and what we need is to build a strong base 12:35 < septox_> mambenanje: sure, free software remains software, just the licence make the difference, and as you hear we will not reinvent the wheels 12:35 < septox_> mambenanje: :D 12:37 -!- tnjulius___ [i=29caca72@gateway/web/freenode/x-sabchsotgdrlqrkq] has joined #barcamp-cm 12:37 < mambenanje> septox_ are you laughing at me taking this picture or at free software ? 12:37 < mambenanje> anyway I think free software if there is another way to pay as you go 12:37 < mambenanje> is the way to do with Cameeroonians and Africans but first you have to make them use it for free for sometime 12:37 < tnjulius___> Sovo: Le Cameroun par exemple possede (je pense) plus de tpe, pme et pmi que de grandes entreprises, oui une sanction forte de Microsoft les obligeraient a se tourner vers des alternatives 12:37 < septox_> no the picture, u was just suprised 12:38 < bigbrovar> I work in the African University of science and tecnology http://aust.edu.ng ( some of our best students from Cameroon btw :p ) where we only use free and open source software and this really helped us save cost 12:38 < mambenanje> bigbrovar am happy most of your best minds come from my country ;) 12:39 < Sovo> bigbrovar: that's good 12:39 < septox_> bigbrovar: sure, but not only money il still and always look about the spirit : you use something and do also something to help others. 12:39 < septox_> bigbrovar: my fear is that africans just use and do not do eve some translations 12:39 < bigbrovar> we get visitors from all over the word and so far we haven't had a single issues with FOSS. and it has helped us safe millions of dollars and to adopt a software which fits our needs 12:40 < septox_> . 12:40 < mambenanje> septox to be rich as a business man you need open source but if they make your own intelligent property copy cat and free you will get hurt 12:41 < septox_> mambenanje: there are many licences you have to make th # betw open and free software 12:41 < septox_> but there are some buisness based on it 12:41 < ongolaBoy> septox_: yeah ... in the same way many africans use free software without keep in mind the spirit of collaboration, sharing ... 12:41 < Sovo> septox_: i'm agree with you 12:42 < mambenanje> some of my software products will be free to end users but some will be highly proprietory 12:42 < mambenanje> but I use FOSS most of the time to do my jobs 12:42 < mambenanje> Java, PHP, MySQL, 12:42 < septox_> Sovo: ongolaBoy bigbrovar mambenanje and without this spirit, nothing will works and projects will freeze 12:43 < bigbrovar> one major hinderance to the adoption of FOSS in african is the lack of people skilled in FOSS technologies. Its easier to see 100 MS IT people than to see 1 linux person (at least in my country) same goes for python vs DotNet 12:43 < ongolaBoy> mambenanje: there are ways to make profits in FOSS . have a look to some corporate company.. 12:43 < ongolaBoy> but in africa we can redefine our economy 12:44 < septox_> mambenanje: so imagine you should buy licences to get Java, PHP or other stuffs, --> you will need more money to start a buisness 12:44 < mambenanje> bigbrovar you are right... 12:44 < septox_> yes 12:44 < septox_> . 12:44 < Sovo> . 12:44 < bigbrovar> mambenanje: FYI redhat is an example of a company that is based on FOSS yet its shares is higher than that of MS and its in the Fortune 500 biggest companies 12:45 < Sovo> bigbrovar: what is FOSS ?? 12:45 < bigbrovar> the Idea that you can't make money on FOSS is a misconception (free is means libre nor free as in price) 12:45 < bigbrovar> Free and Open Source Software :-) 12:46 < Sovo> ha ok 12:46 < ongolaBoy> Sovo: FOSS stands for Free and Open Source Software 12:46 < septox_> . 12:47 < Sovo> ok 12:47 < bigbrovar> It would help to see more and more Africans get involved in upstream FOSS projects. things like translations, documentations, coding etc 12:48 < mambenanje> ok bigbrovar today barcampcameroon day I am a full convert 12:48 < bigbrovar> And also adapting existing FOSS technologies to meet local needs ( this is where FOSS really shines) 12:49 < tnjulius___> bigbrovar: je pense que pour cela, il faudrait deja un acces facile au reseau Internet! ce qui n'est pas evident tant en cout, qu'en qualite! 12:49 < ongolaBoy> mambenanje: :) 12:49 < bigbrovar> Internet is a major issue in African. how do we get round that?. It is a major hindance to the adoption of FOSS 12:50 < septox_> mpesa talking about identification possibilities 12:50 < bigbrovar> tnjulius___> (don't understand french u see) 12:50 < septox_> . 12:50 < mambenanje> bigbrovar I think Africans need to biuld their own FOSS solutions...I have a hard time optimising FOSS codes cos the codes do wellbut mostly messy 12:51 < ongolaBoy> bigbrovar: tnjulius___ was saying that we should facilite internet access 12:51 < tnjulius___> it will be difficult, my english is bad! ongolaBoy can you translate: 12:52 < tnjulius___> ongolaBoy: thanks :), you're the best 12:52 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> imho its better to collaborate then reinventing the wheels. we haev some great technologies (CMS, OS, OFFICE TOOLS) out there 12:52 < septox_> . 12:52 < ongolaBoy> all we need is to work in group and have strong skills 12:52 < mambenanje> bigbrovar I am using openoffice but I dont like when I have to work with wordpress, joomla, drupal. I prefer building mine for my own use 12:52 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> But where the needs arises we can always create our own 12:53 < Sovo> mambenanje: i will be difficult for us to go from zero 12:53 < mambenanje> sovo naijaborn.com is an example of us going from zero 12:53 < mambenanje> villagediary.org too another example 12:53 < mambenanje> but zero doesnt mean you build php ;) 12:53 < mambenanje> or java language ;) 12:53 < septox_> . 12:54 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> FOSS is about collaboration. why not send patches or file bugs to fix some of the issues u have with drupal, wordpress so the word can benefit. 12:54 < septox_> . 12:54 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> but still started your own project is indeed not a bad idea :) 12:54 < tnjulius___> bigbrovar: +1 j'approuve 12:54 < bigbrovar> starting* 12:54 < ongolaBoy> @all I hope that this debate doesn't freeze the others participants :D 12:55 < ongolaBoy> @all j'espere que ce debat n'empeche pas les autres de participer 12:55 < Sovo> i don't think it's impossible, but i will be difficult 12:55 < Sovo> and not product 12:55 < downeym> http://appfrica.net/blog/2009/10/28/coded-in-country-stoking-local-innovation/ 12:55 < tnjulius___> Sovo: sympa ton anglais :D 12:56 < Sovo> don't rebuilt de wheel 12:56 < Sovo> use it 12:56 < Sovo> tnjulius___: thank 12:56 < Sovo> and like that we will be more productive, and faster i think 12:57 < bigbrovar> another area is open standard. we need to uses less and less proprietary vendor lockin standards 12:57 < mambenanje> hey sovo the wheel is windows, linux, programming languages 12:57 < mambenanje> so we use that wheel to build our own cars 12:57 < bigbrovar> and adopt standards that are free and open 12:57 < mambenanje> either open source orr closed source 12:58 < Sovo> no 12:58 < Sovo> the wheel isn't necessery OS 12:58 < Sovo> software can be the whell 12:58 < Sovo> wheel 12:59 < mambenanje> yeah sovo software can be the wheel depending on how you look at it 12:59 < mambenanje> Android was build upon Linux 12:59 < mambenanje> but that is possible because Google has the money 12:59 < ongolaBoy> issue about 'open standards' are *real* folks 12:59 < mambenanje> using FOSS is advantages in the short term but very difficult in the longterm 12:59 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> my point is collaboration in most cases better than creating sometime new. 12:59 < Sovo> and we use it to adapt to our continant 12:59 < Sovo> mambenanje: why ?? 12:59 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> infact is the other way round 13:00 < Sovo> bigbrovar: i agree with you 13:00 < downeym> we built OpenMRS in kenya and now it is used in all the world 13:00 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> FOSS has more of a long term benefit than short term wind fall that proprietary software brings 13:00 < downeym> but it is flexible to be used that way 13:00 < Sovo> hummm downeym that greqt 13:00 < Sovo> great 13:01 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> collaboration, is key 13:01 < mambenanje> its easy to adapt it to your immidiate needs but in say 4yrs you wont be able to re-engineer and you will cry why you didnt built it from scratch 13:01 < Sovo> bigbrovar: +1 13:01 < mambenanje> ask Seun Osewa of nairaland.com 13:01 < mambenanje> he is using SMF 13:01 < mambenanje> and right now as we speak he wants to rewrite it all 13:01 < tnjulius___> L'important c'est la participation et la collaboration comme dit bigbrovar 13:01 < mambenanje> so FOSS is good for smart prototyping but if you wanna have a good product in Africa be it FOSS or proprietory we havve to build it over 13:02 -!- mode/#barcamp-cm [+o ongolaBoy] by ChanServ 13:02 < bigbrovar> downeym> wow awesome example of how FOSS can be used to solve real problems. and when to invent something new 13:03 < mambenanje> its fine 13:03 < mambenanje> you guys rock 13:03 < downeym> is it time for lunch? 13:04 < septox_> . 13:04 <@ongolaBoy> let me know when it will be the lunch 13:04 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> sure you can build something new if you feel you have something new to offer which is not in existing offerings. But in most cases its better to work with upstreams to fix issues with existed offerings and make them better 13:04 -!- Topic for #barcamp-cm: Discussions related to barcampCameroon event| infos: http://barcampafrica.com/cameroon | Mailing-list: http://groups.google.com/group/barcampcameroon | How to use IRC http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html | Freenode FAQ http://freenode.net/faq.shtml 13:04 -!- Topic set by ongolaBoy [] [Tue Aug 11 16:55:32 2009] 13:04 < Sovo> bigbrovar: it's exactly what i mind 13:05 < septox_> . 13:05 < mambenanje> bigbrovar its difficult to work with existing things for life...because they limit your growth 13:05 < mambenanje> lunch is about time...but someone has to present I guess but I am hungry 13:06 < Sovo> mambenanje: you can contribute to make it better 13:06 -!- ongolaBoy changed the topic of #barcamp-cm to: BarcampCameroon is today ! | Live coverage http://africamp.com/cameroon | How to use IRC http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html 13:06 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> you actually learn more. working with people who sometimes have more experience than you. 13:07 < Sovo> and give your ideas 13:07 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> and sharing ideas with people from all over the world. you learn more that way. IMHO 13:07 -!- tnjulius___ is now known as tnjulius1 13:07 <@ongolaBoy> mambenanje: sometimes people *fork* what it's already present even though it's recommend to collaborate in the same project 13:08 < mambenanje> collaboration is not a bad idea 13:08 < mambenanje> but depending on FOSS is like colonisation 13:08 < mambenanje> we will stay dependent on the codes they give us 13:08 < Sovo> mambenanje: i think it's best ideas 13:08 < mambenanje> we need to start buildin gour own 13:08 -!- mode/#barcamp-cm [-o ongolaBoy] by ChanServ 13:09 < Sovo> colonisation 13:09 < Sovo> noo 13:09 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> how is it explain? 13:09 < Sovo> used windows is a colonosation 13:09 < Sovo> but contribute on a FOSS projet isn't a colonisation 13:10 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> it seems you have no idea what FOSS is.. the very nature of foss lincenses like GPL makes it free and ensure no colonisation or monopoly 13:10 < ongolaBoy> mambenanje: who is behind your 'codes they give us' ? 13:10 < downeym> http://j.mp/pwr-bazaar -- here is what we learned with FOSS in Kenyan healthcare 13:10 < ongolaBoy> downeym: can we have some techs from RINGO here ? 13:11 < Sovo> bigbrovar: exaclty, the spirit of FOSS is the difference with property software 13:11 < ongolaBoy> downeym: some questions have been raised for them 13:11 < mambenanje> Africans will start building their own proprietory software and deciding their own fiture 13:11 < mambenanje> future* 13:11 < downeym> ongolaBoy: Would like to see them here, too 13:11 < Sovo> mambenanje: why ? 13:11 < mambenanje> we all use wordpress.org and we depend on their directions 13:12 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> You have lil understanding of how foss works. 13:12 < Sovo> you need to go under and existant projet 13:12 < mambenanje> yeah I might but I know that it keeps us dependent on the west 13:13 < septox_> yeah 13:13 < Sovo> to be productive 13:13 < ongolaBoy> mambenanje: ok. but you should remember that when a software has a type of FOSS license for instance it's up to you to do what you want with the code 13:13 < Sovo> for exemple 13:13 < mambenanje> I use Codeigniter.com kohanaphp.com java 13:13 < mambenanje> they are all FOSS software 13:13 < ongolaBoy> you can use a software and even fork it *as* you want 13:13 < mambenanje> I use open office 13:13 < Sovo> joomla based on mambo 13:13 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> Today we are seeing the linux kernel become the default kernel used in mobile and embedded OS. because companies realise its better to use and improve what is in existance than reinvent the wheel 13:13 < mambenanje> but if I want to be a software vendor I wont sell FOSS 13:13 < Sovo> now joomla is the must powerfull CMS 13:14 < ongolaBoy> mambenanje: you may sell FOSS software 13:14 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> even apple one of the most proprietary closed software companies uses alot of foss tools 13:14 < tnjulius1> Sovo: the must or one of must! 13:14 < Sovo> for me the must 13:14 < ongolaBoy> Sovo: :) I'm not sure it's the best cms ... ;) 13:14 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> compare webkit/geko browsers to opera and IE 13:15 < tnjulius1> Sovo: it's you're opinion, cmsmadesimple is always good1 13:15 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> FOSS benefits the general public, Proprietary benefits only its maker 13:15 < Sovo> that alreary your's 13:18 -!- nadytch [i=29bd3110@gateway/web/freenode/x-wxeemwcusbbsbsga] has joined #barcamp-cm 13:19 < mambenanje> guys you dont get me 13:19 < mambenanje> I am not against FOSS 13:19 < mambenanje> but I am against imported FOSS 13:19 < mambenanje> it makes us highly dependent 13:19 < mambenanje> ask China, Japan, South Korea how they grew up 13:19 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> why would I need to create my own CMS when i can take out of many drupal, plone, wordpress etc and adapt them to my needs. and feed the my adaptation back to upstream so the world would benefit 13:19 < nadytch> hello 13:20 < tnjulius1> mambenanje: you're "radical", i think we have to know walking before running! 13:20 < nadytch> can I have the iframe code of this event on coveritlive to put it on my blog ? 13:20 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> there is nothing like imported FOSS, where are you getting your ideas from 13:20 < ongolaBoy> nadytch: hello. ca fait plaisir 13:20 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> the codes are free and available to the public. 13:21 < septox_> mambenanje: yes, WE NEED our FOOS, adapted to our NEEDS. YES 13:21 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> the licenses ensure that its not for one person. you can take them and do with them what u like, improve, fork, do what u like 13:21 < tnjulius1> "adapted" 13:21 < nadytch> ongolaBoy: ainsi donc tu n'es pas à doul 13:21 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> countries like brazil and many others build on what exist not invent their own. 13:21 < ongolaBoy> nadytch: oui, je ne pouvais pas y etre :( trop de contraintes 13:21 < Sovo> even like ubuntu 13:22 < mambenanje> bigbrovar as a developer I will tell you that its very difficult to adapt existing codes than to build them 13:22 < septox_> . 13:22 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> you can always pick wordpress up and fork it to your needs 13:22 < mambenanje> in short run it might seem easier to adapt but in future ask Google why they had to rewrite their own MYSQL a.k.a BigTable 13:22 < septox_> mambenanje: i just translate from french 13:22 < septox_> i wanted to say: FOS that will fill our needs 13:23 < septox_> for us by us ! 13:23 < nadytch> ongolaboy ; as-tu le code coveritlive de l'événement ? 13:23 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> If there is a need to create new sure do so, but not for the sake of not invented here. The important thing is collaboration 13:24 < downeym> nadytch: You can link to http://africamp.com/eng/articles/cameroon/asw1257575318/ 13:24 < tnjulius1> bigbrovar: +11 13:24 < ongolaBoy> nadytch: je vais chercher 13:24 < ongolaBoy> thanks downeym 13:25 < mambenanje> the truth is we we can use FOSS coming from out there but most of the time its not highly adapted to our needs 13:25 < mambenanje> its some sort of induced upon us 13:25 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> AFAIK most foss project are open, and you can always join them to get to understand the codes and push your own changes 13:25 < nadytch> downeym : that's not I'm asking for. I need the EMBED CODE 13:26 < tnjulius1> par exemple Debian est un projet, Ubuntu est une adaptation de ce projet pour une categorie de personne 13:27 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> even though google uses alot of FOSS technologies. there do have histories of creating their own implementations of stands which in long run create more problem for the community than helps. 13:27 < bigbrovar> mambenanje> although it helps google. :-) 13:28 < nadytch> EMBED CODE... EMBED CODE... EMBED CODE... COVERITLIVE EMBED CODE... please ;) 13:28 -!- yuanluc [i=29bee2aa@gateway/web/freenode/x-skybpyqnhhvdaoiu] has joined #barcamp-cm 13:29 < yuanluc> pb connexion 13:29 < yuanluc> i'm back 13:30 < DjiaThink> The lunch is served 13:30 < downeym> when does the next session begin? 13:30 < ongolaBoy> nadytch: